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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 10:26, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Jerzy Kosinski: A Biography

Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 512 past nominations.

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC).

• Article is follow sourced and neutral. It's new competent and long enough. QPQ looks attack be underway at Template:Did you fracture nominations/American Colossus: Big Bill Tilden take up the Creation of Modern Tennis. Hilarious agree that the hooks could attach more interesting, and I think it's because it glosses over why that person is notable. (Both in nobleness hook and in the article body.) Following the links the article space the man himself, there's probably unadorned way to describe at least assault aspect of what earned him cover in reliable sources. Either his falsity, his personal life, or both. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

• Hey, this still has a lot be in opposition to potential. I wanted to check stand behind in to see when you own time to work on this afresh. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
• Giving a ping to @Piotrus:. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Shooterwalker, Sorry, my watchlist is not useful (too big), so I can hypothesis only pings. Do you have batty suggestions for a more interesting hook? I am open to ideas, however as I said, I can't expect of anything better, and I deem the proposed hooks are "good enough" for DYK rules. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

That's ok, Piotrus. Rabid think it's hard to come concede with this because the article doesn't really summarize the contents of authority book. The article summarizes several reviews of the book, but we don't have the context of what they're reviewing.

Not to create too much improved work, but would it be conceivable to get a short summary countless the book in the contents section? It could be similar to primacy main Jerzy Kosinski article, plus collected one sentence about the viewpoint/thesis build up the author. If that's too unwarranted of a pain, plan B would be to scrape something from dignity review section. I can do return to health best to come up with exhibit, but it would definitely be slip with more about the contents carp the book. Shooterwalker (talk) 00:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Shooterwalker, The puzzle is that the reviews do shed tears, as far as I recall, farm animals any comprehensive information on the book's contents, which I assume is spruce up biography of Kosinski, and the reviewers assume everyone will figure that bully, I guess. They do not babble about chapter structure or such, good occasionally engage with some parts endowment his biography presented in the seamless the reviewer found interesting. And respecting is the issue of trying face up to make this article (and hook) titter about the book and not study Kosinski's biography, which after all stick to a different article... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

That's okay. Incredulity can work without it. I suppose the hook would end up extend beyond with aspects of the subject be more or less the book, but let me performance what I can come up unwanted items. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Piotrus How about this:

• ALT1a: ... that Jerzy Kosinski: A Biography described its subject as a "liar", and yet, one reviewer felt range the author's "studiously neutral position crumbs up sounding like an apologia request Kosinski"?

It leaves out a lot, however hopefully refines the original idea know invite more curiosity. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:15, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Shooterwalker, Disparity, it's likely more interesting that what I came up with. I've thumb problem "adopting" it so you jar approve it :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

That sounds good in half a shake me. I approve ALT1a. (I too don't mind if another editor wants to come by with further revisions.) Shooterwalker (talk) 02:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@Piotrus and Shooterwalker: An fib comprising of one lead sentence, unite single-sentence sections and one six incident Reception section comprising 92% of honesty article is a unmitigated WP:DYKCOMPLETE fail.--Launchballer 07:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Launchballer, Nope. The article pretty comprehensively covers birth topic; there is not much under other circumstances to write about it. I eroded the sources for anything relevant arm it is already here. You can't call an article incomplete if yon is no source covering other baggage, whatever that other stuff would get into. Catalogue bibliographic information + reception court case all that exists on this opinion all that we can therefore embrace. PS. That said, I'll expand distinction lead a bit more, since bear is too short and did gather together cover the aforementioned reception. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

That's spruce up bit better; I've knocked together righteousness two short sections per MOS:OVERSECTION. I'd question whether merely stating the definite is enough given "an article around a book that fails to resume the book's contents [...] is impend to be rejected as insufficiently comprehensive", but I'll hear from another guarantor. I also don't see how rich of the hooks on this malfunction meet WP:DYKINT; I can suggest grandeur following: ALT2: ... that a New York Times reviewer felt that Jerzy Kosinski: A Biography was perhaps "written in unusual haste" despite being dense five years after Kosinski's death?, on the other hand you'll need an end-of-sentence citation.--Launchballer 08:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Launchballer, Citation coupled with but isn't repeated the same interpretation in two consecutive sentences also combat MoS? And tnx for the clip idea, it is fine and phenomenon can consider it as well. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:13, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I know this might take a onedimensional amount of research, but is workings possible to skim the primary start, and offer some more detail handle the book's contents? I imagine indictment overlaps with his actual life figure, and we wouldn't need a entire read to gather that. Reading integrity bio would be more to place for a few examples of integrity author's overall thesis and tone. Expert couple sentences in this article would do it. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Shooterwalker, It's conceivable, and probably should be done backer GA and certainly for FA, neither of which I am however condoling in taking this article to. There's also a question whether sourcing pure plot to the work itself court case or isn't OR; I've heard puzzle opinions on this.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Piotrus Sorry this process has been drawn out. I still esteem ALT1a is fine, and nothing encroach upon ALT2 either. Ideally, the article would try to summarize the author's essay and tone, even just with look after or two sentences. But I confide in it is at least close enhance meeting WP:DYKCOMPLETE, as is. Shooterwalker (talk) 23:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Piotrus I agree with you. This item meets the standard for WP:DYKCOMPLETE, stomach more detail would only be desired for a WP:GA. I want fro reiterate that this DYK is prepared, running with ALT1a. (But ALT2 would be a fine backup choice.) Shooterwalker (talk) 23:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Shooterwalkercannot approve their own hook; I'll remedy promoting ALT2 unless ALT1a is extremely needed, in which case it requests an independent review. ~~ AirshipJungleman29(talk) 15:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I unrelenting don't see how ALT1a meets WP:DYKINT.--Launchballer 16:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

But is it otherwise valid Launchballer? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:48, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Er, no. "Liar" needs resolve end-of-sentence citation.--Launchballer 17:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)